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Hibernate Lucene trademark issues

Emmanuel Bernard
Hi guys,
I'm Emmanuel Bernard from JBoss.
I'm the current lead developer of the Hibernate Lucene integration module.
The goal of this project is to facilitate the integration of a search
capability to Hibernate based applications. And guess what, I use Lucene ;-)
http://www.hibernate.org/hib_docs/annotations/reference/en/html/lucene.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/hibernate-dev%40lists.jboss.org/msg00392.html

I realized this week end that the 'Hibernate Lucene' name might infringe
the Apache Lucene trademark policy.
http://www.cafepress.com/lucene/ seems to state that Lucene is a
trademark of the Apache Software Foundation (nice golf shirt BTW)
But I wasn't able to find any document explaining the fair use of the
Lucene brand (the license as well as the notice seem to be silent on
this subject).

Even if Lucene in not trademarked, what do you consider a fair use of
your brand? I'm happy to rename my project, I guess the initial choice
was more a tribute to your project than anything else.

Emmanuel

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Re: Hibernate Lucene trademark issues

Doug Cutting
Here's my understanding.  Lucene is a trademark of Apache.  In the
context of search technology, Lucene should only be used to refer to
Apache Lucene, and that must be unambiguous.  Thus if there's a chance
that someone might think you're talking about "JBoss Lucene" then you
must make it clear that you're really referring to Apache's Lucene.

http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html#Marks

Apache's Trademark policy isn't totally spelled out, but there's been a
proposal to follow Eclipse's guidelines:

http://www.eclipse.org/legal/logo_guidelines.php

Under these guidelines, a product named "Hibernate Lucene" would not be
permitted, but "Hibernate for Lucene" would.

Doug

Emmanuel Bernard wrote:

> Hi guys,
> I'm Emmanuel Bernard from JBoss.
> I'm the current lead developer of the Hibernate Lucene integration module.
> The goal of this project is to facilitate the integration of a search
> capability to Hibernate based applications. And guess what, I use Lucene
> ;-)
> http://www.hibernate.org/hib_docs/annotations/reference/en/html/lucene.html
> http://www.mail-archive.com/hibernate-dev%40lists.jboss.org/msg00392.html
>
> I realized this week end that the 'Hibernate Lucene' name might infringe
> the Apache Lucene trademark policy.
> http://www.cafepress.com/lucene/ seems to state that Lucene is a
> trademark of the Apache Software Foundation (nice golf shirt BTW)
> But I wasn't able to find any document explaining the fair use of the
> Lucene brand (the license as well as the notice seem to be silent on
> this subject).
>
> Even if Lucene in not trademarked, what do you consider a fair use of
> your brand? I'm happy to rename my project, I guess the initial choice
> was more a tribute to your project than anything else.
>
> Emmanuel
>
> PS: please forward this email to the appropriate persons if this is not
> the case already (PMC or whatever)
>
>
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Re: Hibernate Lucene trademark issues

Lukáš Vlček
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Hi Emmanuel,

I am interested in you solution. I have a plan to use lucene and hibernate
in my next project and search will play very important role (*stake-holder*
functionality). I have heard of
comapss<http://www.opensymphony.com/compass/>project which introduces
searching (lucene) layer on top of hibernate also.
I haven't had a change to study it in detail yet.

Do you think you could give me some high level comments about your
motivation for implementing lucene search directly in hibernate code,
couldn't you just use compass project? Is there any fundamental difference
between your approach and comapss?

Many thanks,
Lukas

On 11/6/06, Emmanuel Bernard <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Hi guys,
> I'm Emmanuel Bernard from JBoss.
> I'm the current lead developer of the Hibernate Lucene integration module.
> The goal of this project is to facilitate the integration of a search
> capability to Hibernate based applications. And guess what, I use Lucene
> ;-)
>
> http://www.hibernate.org/hib_docs/annotations/reference/en/html/lucene.html
> http://www.mail-archive.com/hibernate-dev%40lists.jboss.org/msg00392.html
>
> I realized this week end that the 'Hibernate Lucene' name might infringe
> the Apache Lucene trademark policy.
> http://www.cafepress.com/lucene/ seems to state that Lucene is a
> trademark of the Apache Software Foundation (nice golf shirt BTW)
> But I wasn't able to find any document explaining the fair use of the
> Lucene brand (the license as well as the notice seem to be silent on
> this subject).
>
> Even if Lucene in not trademarked, what do you consider a fair use of
> your brand? I'm happy to rename my project, I guess the initial choice
> was more a tribute to your project than anything else.
>
> Emmanuel
>
> PS: please forward this email to the appropriate persons if this is not
> the case already (PMC or whatever)
>
>
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Re: Hibernate Lucene trademark issues

Emmanuel Bernard
Hi Lukas,
I'd be happy to answer your question, but I don't think Lucene dev is
the appropriate area for that kind of discussion.
let's move this discussion here
http://forum.hibernate.org/viewforum.php?f=9 (or in the Lucene User list
if you want to).

Emmanuel

Lukas Vlcek wrote:

>
> Hi Emmanuel,
>
> I am interested in you solution. I have a plan to use lucene and hibernate
> in my next project and search will play very important role
> (*stake-holder*
> functionality). I have heard of
> comapss<http://www.opensymphony.com/compass/>project which introduces
> searching (lucene) layer on top of hibernate also.
> I haven't had a change to study it in detail yet.
>
> Do you think you could give me some high level comments about your
> motivation for implementing lucene search directly in hibernate code,
> couldn't you just use compass project? Is there any fundamental difference
> between your approach and comapss?
>
> Many thanks,
> Lukas
>
> On 11/6/06, Emmanuel Bernard <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi guys,
> > I'm Emmanuel Bernard from JBoss.
> > I'm the current lead developer of the Hibernate Lucene integration
> module.
> > The goal of this project is to facilitate the integration of a search
> > capability to Hibernate based applications. And guess what, I use Lucene
> > ;-)
> >
> >
> http://www.hibernate.org/hib_docs/annotations/reference/en/html/lucene.html
> >
> http://www.mail-archive.com/hibernate-dev%40lists.jboss.org/msg00392.html
> >
> > I realized this week end that the 'Hibernate Lucene' name might infringe
> > the Apache Lucene trademark policy.
> > http://www.cafepress.com/lucene/ seems to state that Lucene is a
> > trademark of the Apache Software Foundation (nice golf shirt BTW)
> > But I wasn't able to find any document explaining the fair use of the
> > Lucene brand (the license as well as the notice seem to be silent on
> > this subject).
> >
> > Even if Lucene in not trademarked, what do you consider a fair use of
> > your brand? I'm happy to rename my project, I guess the initial choice
> > was more a tribute to your project than anything else.
> >
> > Emmanuel
> >
> > PS: please forward this email to the appropriate persons if this is not
> > the case already (PMC or whatever)
> >
> >
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> >
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Re: Hibernate Lucene trademark issues

Emmanuel Bernard
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Thanks Doug,
I've decided to renamed the project. As the French people said when a
king use to die: Hibernate Lucene is dead, Long life to Hibernate Search :-)

Keep up the good work guys.

Emmanuel

Doug Cutting wrote:

> Here's my understanding.  Lucene is a trademark of Apache.  In the
> context of search technology, Lucene should only be used to refer to
> Apache Lucene, and that must be unambiguous.  Thus if there's a chance
> that someone might think you're talking about "JBoss Lucene" then you
> must make it clear that you're really referring to Apache's Lucene.
>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html#Marks
>
> Apache's Trademark policy isn't totally spelled out, but there's been
> a proposal to follow Eclipse's guidelines:
>
> http://www.eclipse.org/legal/logo_guidelines.php
>
> Under these guidelines, a product named "Hibernate Lucene" would not
> be permitted, but "Hibernate for Lucene" would.
>
> Doug
>
> Emmanuel Bernard wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>> I'm Emmanuel Bernard from JBoss.
>> I'm the current lead developer of the Hibernate Lucene integration
>> module.
>> The goal of this project is to facilitate the integration of a search
>> capability to Hibernate based applications. And guess what, I use
>> Lucene ;-)
>> http://www.hibernate.org/hib_docs/annotations/reference/en/html/lucene.html 
>>
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/hibernate-dev%40lists.jboss.org/msg00392.html 
>>
>>
>> I realized this week end that the 'Hibernate Lucene' name might
>> infringe the Apache Lucene trademark policy.
>> http://www.cafepress.com/lucene/ seems to state that Lucene is a
>> trademark of the Apache Software Foundation (nice golf shirt BTW)
>> But I wasn't able to find any document explaining the fair use of the
>> Lucene brand (the license as well as the notice seem to be silent on
>> this subject).
>>
>> Even if Lucene in not trademarked, what do you consider a fair use of
>> your brand? I'm happy to rename my project, I guess the initial
>> choice was more a tribute to your project than anything else.
>>
>> Emmanuel
>>
>> PS: please forward this email to the appropriate persons if this is
>> not the case already (PMC or whatever)
>>
>>
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